Kenneth Copeland’s Prosperity Gospel by Josh Buice | Sep 4, 2008 | DBG Spotlight | 34 comments View the prosperity gospel being preached before a large crowd by Kenneth Copeland. Click here for the video. Will you pass this on to your friends?000000 Related 34 Comments Mae on September 6, 2008 at 10:07 am please tell me the problem with what kenneth copeand said??? all i heard was him giving God the glory for what had happened to the man in china. i thought it was a great story–in china of all places! Log in to Reply Josh Buice on September 6, 2008 at 10:39 am Mae,Kenneth Copeland was connecting the 5 or 6 houses that this man has to his obedience and faith to God. That is a perversion of Holy Scripture. Faith in our God does not promise financial gain. In fact, as I have pointed out in the days past in our discussions, all of the Apostles except John died for their faith. Where is the health, wealth, and prosperity in that picture?I despise Kenneth Copeland’s teachings. Not because I despise him personally, because I don’t know the man. I only know of his misuse and perversions of Holy Scripture.Kenneth Copeland writes the following on page 51 of his book, The Laws of Prosperity, “You must realize that it is God’s will for you to prosper. This is available to you, and frankly, it would be stupid of you not to partake of it”.I rest my case!Josh Buice Log in to Reply Mae on September 6, 2008 at 1:16 pm Malachi 3:10″there will not be room enough to receive it.” Log in to Reply Anthony on December 8, 2014 at 11:20 pm Malachi 3:10 was written to the Priests of Malachi’s day, not New Testament Christians… “And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.” – Malachi 2:1 See – http://tithing101.com Log in to Reply david on September 6, 2008 at 1:19 pm Mae,There is a BIG difference between “prospering” (copeland) and God’s blessing us beyond our ability to “receive it.”Prosparity Gospel makes God the slave of man. Man commands God to bless him, and God is obligated. Log in to Reply Bill on September 10, 2008 at 8:58 am Josh,Just imagine how “business” you could do if only you had a private jet. Log in to Reply Donald Gomez on November 11, 2008 at 10:39 pm Dear Kenneth Copeland,Today I tried finding Kenneth Copeland’s email address atKenneth Copeland MinistriesFort Worth, TX 76192-0001Telephone: 800-600-7395http://www.kcm.orgWhen I asked the lady at that phone number for the email address, she said that she wait a minute. She went away and then came back with the website address. I explained to her that I wanted the email address not the website address. She said wait a minute again and then she came back and told me that she did not know his email address.I am a Jehovah’s Witness and I would like receive Kenneth Copeland’s opinion on four questions.The first question now is, “Where on his website home page or contact page is his personal email address?”Next, where does the Bible say that a local Christian Pastor should make any paycheck at all from his ministry, especially enough for a private plane.Next, why does the Bible contain no mention of any christian congregation collecting tithes from Acts to Revelation?And finally, where is the Biblical proof that tithing did not pass away with the written law covenant of the Hebrew scriptures?TITHING(Numbers 18:21-29) 21 “And to the sons of Le´vi, look! I have given every tenth part in Israel as an inheritance in return for their service that they are carrying on, the service of the tent of meeting. 22 And the sons of Israel should no more come near to the tent of meeting to incur sin so as to die. 23 And the Levites themselves must carry on the service of the tent of meeting, and they are the ones who should answer for their error. It is a statute to time indefinite during YOUR generations that in the midst of the sons of Israel they should not get possession of an inheritance. 24 For the tenth part of the sons of Israel, which they will contribute to Jehovah as a contribution, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance. That is why I have said to them, ‘In the midst of the sons of Israel they should not get possession of an inheritance.’” 25 Then Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying: 26 “And you should speak to the Levites, and you mustsay to them, ‘YOU will receive from the sons of Israel the tenth part that I have given to YOU from them for YOUR inheritance, and YOU must contribute from it as a contribution to Jehovah a tenth part of the tenth part. 27 And it must be reckoned to YOU as YOUR contribution, like the grain of the threshing floor and like the full produce of the wine or oil press. 28 In this way YOU yourselves also will contribute a contribution to Jehovah from all YOUR tenth parts that YOU will receive from the sons of Israel, and from them YOU must give the contribution to Jehovah to Aaron the priest. 29 From all the gifts to YOU, YOU will contribute every sort of contribution to Jehovah, of the very best of it, as some holy thing from them.’(Nehemiah 13:10) 10 And I got to find out that the very portions of the Levites had not been given [them], so that the Levites and the singers doing the work went running off, each one to his own field.(Nehemiah 10:37) 37 Also, the firstfruits of our coarse meal and our contributions and the fruitage of every sort of tree, new wine and oil we should bring to the priests to the dining halls of the house of our God, also the tenth from our soil to the Levites, as they, the Levites, are the ones receiving a tenth in all our agricultural cities.———————————————————————————————————————(Hebrews 7:12) 12 For since the priesthood is being changed, there comes to be of necessity a change also of the law.(1 Peter 2:9) 9 But YOU are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that YOU should declare abroad the excellencies” of the one that called YOU out of darkness into his wonderful light.(Colossians 2:13-14) 13 Furthermore, though YOU were dead in YOUR trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of YOUR flesh, [God] made YOU alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.——————————————————————————————————————–(1 Thessalonians 2:9) 9 Certainly YOU bear in mind, brothers,our labor and toil. It was with working night and day, so as not to put an expensive burden upon any one of YOU, that we preached the good news of God to YOU.(2 Thessalonians 3:6-15) 6 Now we are giving YOU orders, brothers, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition YOU received from us. 7 For YOU yourselves know the way YOU ought to imitate us, because we did not behave disorderly among YOU 8 nor did we eat food from anyone free. To the contrary, by labor and toil night and day we were working so as not to impose an expensive burden upon any one of YOU. 9 Not that we do not have authority, but in order that we might offer ourselves as an example to YOU to imitate us. 10 In fact, also, when we were with YOU, we used to give YOU this order: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.” 11 For we hear certain ones are walking disorderly among YOU, not working at all but meddling with what does not concern them. 12 To such persons we give the order and exhortation in [the] Lord Jesus Christ that by working withquietness they should eat food they themselves earn. 13 For YOUR part, brothers, do not give up in doing right. 14 But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked, stop associating with him, that he may become ashamed. 15 And yet do not be considering him as an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother.———————————————————————————————————————–TITHEA tenth part, or 10 percent, given or paid as a tribute, especially for religious purposes.The Bible tells of two instances prior to the setting up of the Law covenant in which a tenth part of possessions was paid to God or to his representative. The first of these was on the occasion when Abraham gave Melchizedek one tenth of the spoils of his victory over Chedorlaomer and his allies. (Ge 14:18-20) The apostle Paul cites this incident as proof that Christ’s priesthood according to the manner of Melchizedek is superior to that of Levi, since Levi, being in the loins of Abraham, paid tithes, in effect, to Melchizedek. (Heb 7:4-10) The second case concerned Jacob, who vowed at Bethel to give one tenth of his substance to God.—Ge 28:20-22.These two accounts, however, are merely instances of voluntarily giving one tenth. There is no record to the effect that Abraham or Jacob commanded their descendants to follow such examples, thereby establishing a religious practice, custom, or law. It would have been superfluous for Jacob, if already under a compulsory obligation to pay tithes, to vow to do so, as he did. It is therefore evident that the tithing arrangement was not a custom or a law among the early Hebrews. It was instituted with the inauguration of the Law covenant, not before.MosaicThe first tithe, consisting of one tenth of the produce of the land and fruit trees and (evidently of the increase) of the herds and flocks, was brought to the sanctuary and given to the Levites, since they had no inheritance in the land but were devoted to the service of the sanctuary. (Le 27:30-32; Nu 18:21, 24) The Levites, in turn, gave a tenth of what they received to the Aaronic priesthood for their support.—Nu 18:25-29.Evidently the grain was threshed and the fruit of the vine and of the olive tree was converted into wine and oil before tithing. (Nu 18:27, 30; Ne 10:37) If an Israelite wished to give money instead of this produce, he could do so, provided he added an additional fifth to the valuation. (Le 27:31) But it was different with the flock and the herd. As the animals came out of the pen one by one through a gate, the owner stood by the gate with a rod and marked every tenth one as the tithe, without examination or selection.—Le 27:32, 33.It seems there was an additional tithe, a second tenth, set aside each year for purposes other than the direct support of the Levitical priesthood, though the Levites shared in it. Normally it was used and enjoyed in large measure by the Israelite family when assembling together at the national festivals. In cases where the distance to Jerusalem was too great for the convenient transport of this tithe, then the produce was converted into money and this, in turn, was used in Jerusalem for the household’s sustenance and enjoyment during the holy convention there. (De 12:4-7, 11, 17, 18; 14:22-27) Then, at the end of every third and sixth years of the seven-year sabbatical cycle, this tithe, instead of being used to defray expenses at the national assemblies, was set aside for the Levites, alien residents, widows, and fatherless boys in the local community.—De 14:28, 29; 26:12.These tithing laws binding on Israel were not excessive. Nor should it be overlooked that God promised to prosper Israel by opening “the floodgates of the heavens” if his tithing laws were obeyed. (Mal 3:10; De 28:1, 2, 11-14) When the people became negligent as to tithing, the priesthood suffered, for the priests and Levites were forced to spend their time in secular work and consequently neglected their ministerial services. (Ne 13:10) Such unfaithfulness tended to bring about a decline in true worship. Sadly, when the ten tribes fell away to calf worship, they used the tithe to support that false religion. (Am 4:4, 5) On the other hand, when Israel was faithful to Jehovah and was under the rule of righteous administrators, tithing for the Levites was restored, and true to Jehovah’s promise, there were no shortages.—2Ch 31:4-12; Ne 10:37, 38; 12:44; 13:11-13.Under the Law there was no stated penalty to be applied to a person failing to tithe. Jehovah placed all under a strong moral obligation to provide the tithe; at the end of the three-year tithing cycle, they were required to confess before him that the tithe had been paid in full. (De 26:12-15) Anything wrongfully withheld was viewed as something stolen from God.—Mal 3:7-9.By the first century C.E., the Jewish religious leaders, particularly among the scribes and Pharisees, were making a sanctimonious show of tithing and other outward works, in a form of worship, but their hearts were far removed from God. (Mt 15:1-9) Jesus reproved them for their selfish, hypocritical attitude, calling attention to their being meticulous to give a tenth even of “the mint and the dill and the cumin”—something they should have done—yet at the same time disregarding “the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness.” (Mt 23:23; Lu 11:42) By way of illustration, Jesus contrasted the Pharisee who boastfully felt self-righteous because of his own works of fasting and tithing, with the tax collector who, though considered as nothing by the Pharisee, humbled himself, confessed his sins to God, and begged for divine mercy.—Lu 18:9-14.NoAs Christians, they were encouraged to give support to the Christian ministry both by their own ministerial activity and by material contributions. Instead of giving fixed, specified amounts to defray congregational expenses, they were to contribute “according to what a person has,” giving “as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2Co 8:12; 9:7) They were encouraged to follow the principle: “Let the older men who preside in a fine way be reckoned worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard in speaking and teaching. For the scripture says: ‘You must not muzzle a bull when it threshes out the grain’; also: ‘The workman is worthy of his wages.’” (1Ti 5:17, 18) However, the apostle Paul set an example in seeking to avoid bringing an undue financial burden on the congregation.—Ac 18:3; 1Th 2:9.I would appreciate your opinion on these Bible teachings.Thank You,Donald Gomez [email protected];Tithing for Christians. At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood; consequently the obligation to pay tithes would cease when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christ’s death on the torture stake. (Eph 2:15; Col 2:13, 14) It is true that Levitical priests continued serving at the temple in Jerusalem until it was destroyed in 70 C.E., but Christians from and after 33 C.E. became part of a new spiritual priesthood that was not supported by tithes.—Ro 6:14; Heb 7:12; 1Pe 2:9. Tithing Laws. Jehovah gave Israel tithing laws for definite purposes, apparently involving the use of two tenths of their annual income, except during the Sabbath years, when no tithe was paid, since no income was anticipated. (Le 25:1-12) However, some scholars believe there was only one tithe. Such tithes werein addition to the firstfruits they were under obligation to offer to Jehovah.—Ex 23:19; 34:26. Log in to Reply Chris on February 5, 2009 at 12:24 am I read your site and am saddened that you cannot see the tons and tons of scriptures that talk about prosperity. one prime example is proverbs 10:22 ” the blessing of the Lord maketh rich……” the word rich in hebrew means to accumulate wealth. The main point is this if we are rich…we can give more and thus further the kingdom. and secondly , it is hard work to become rich as the prosperity message says. you have to bve a tither and giver and mostly god has to trust that with the wealth you will use it to further the kingdom, he does not just make you rich for rich’s sake. I think you are thinking that the prosperity message is like free candy which it is not. I fully believe in it and have been practicing it for 6 years and am now doing EXTREMELY WELL IN THIS POOR ECONOMY. i am doing the best i ever have. …The golden rule of prosperity teaching by copeland is the more you GIVE the more you get ( for the purpose of FURTHERING THE KINGDOM) not just to be rich for no reason. I with now doing so well compare to 6 years ago am able to further the kingdom more financially because!!!!!! of my prosperity. Simply if your heart is wrong you WONT become rich…just like scripture states how do we treat the small things. If you didnt tithe the 5 dollars in your pocket that god wanted you too, why would god make you rich….he wouldnt and you wont becuase you are not following gods principles Log in to Reply Josh Buice on February 5, 2009 at 10:40 am Chris,If God intended us to be rich, as you suggest, please explain the following:1. Why was Paul not rich?2. Why did Paul suffer greatly for the sake of the Gospel?3. Why did Paul experience a thorn in his flesh that was not removed when he prayed?4. Why do people like Benny Hinn and Creflo Dollar live in multi-million dollar mansions if God gave them wealth to give to others – as you suggest?The heart of the Gospel is not about wealth and health. It is about the salvation of lost and dying souls that are perishing without a Savior. The heart of the Gospel is love — not money. Therefore, when we go with our church to Zambia Africa – we are going there spreading the news of the Gospel and that Jesus Christ saves – not information on BMW cars and large homes with swimming pools.For the Glory of Christ!Josh Buice Log in to Reply Chris on February 5, 2009 at 6:07 pm Josh, i do not feel like answering all these in explicit detail as it would take forever, so let me rebuut by saying.1. Why was Abraham the Father of us all Rich and his descendents Rich?(Father of Faith). he was rich because of the Blessing!! that they kept passing to their children…etc2. If God is not a respecter of persons…then why should abraham and all his children be rich and we cnnot be? the bible says we have the blessing of abraham…. …pretty simple.2a. Paul chose to not live out his wealth to further the gospel that he believed called to do Just like he chose to not be married to further his gospel. he also planned on being imprisoned…i do not want that do you? . he gave these scriptures about finances : 1 Timothy 5: 17-18 “Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.” The word Honor in the greek is Time (pronounced tee-may) which is finances , money paid or collected.1 Corinthians 9 Paul defends his right to receive financial support from the ministry. He presents five arguments to support the principle of payment for the minister.3.Paul’s thorn toooo long to go into had NOTHING to do with finances..4.Why did Paul suffer….we all have suffered as Jesus said …People WILL HATE YOU BECAUSE OF ME…i have lost family members because of Jesus…..they want nothing to do with him…I gave up my entire life to serve him…the list goes on and on….it is anything but easy to live for Jesus5.why can people in the bible live in mansions and we cant ?Abraham’s descendant’s were RICH and we have the same promise and blessing if we live it out. 1 timothy talks about preachers deserving “Double Honor “. if you look at the amount they contribute to the gospel ie: charities, teachings, the taopes and cd’s which have taught me to prosper overcome everything throught the principles of the word …they deserve every penny.Put it this way…if you are Rich and prospering the WORLD looks at you and says what is HE doing that is going so well. For me in my job people are losing jobs and their spouse getting laid off. I just bought a new home , have 2 new cars and no debt and i tithe and give everyweek , plus give to many missionaries and charities, plus a on the worship team. People at my work are asking me questions as how am i doing so well when they are doing so bad. See wealth has brought an opprtunity to advance the gospel. It is not about money its about advancing the good news and when you are rich you have a greater voice to use. Just like Bono said with his charity , he has all this currency (fame) to help the poor. Who wants to listen to a christian who is poor and cant pay their bills or doing ho hum. we are supposed to be prospering WE ARE MORE THAN CONQUERORS because of Jesus. Think about it WHY?????? would God want you poor. Money is NOT evil….the Relationship you have with it is what can be trouble…my wealth is Gods and i sow where he tells me to sow , but i also live according to john 10:10 ohn 10:10 (Amplified Bible) :The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance to the full, till it overflows. What else could that mean to to prosper in ALL areas Health, Wealth, Family,Jobs,Love…..its pretty easy to see Log in to Reply Mae on February 6, 2009 at 8:37 am chris,you have made some great points.our focus should never be money, it should be Jesus.when our focus is Jesus, we give more, shhare more, do more for Him.He blesses us in many ways, sometimes monetarily. MANY times monetarily. Log in to Reply Josh Buice on February 6, 2009 at 8:59 am Mae,I agree – every dime we own is from the Lord. But, telling people that if they support a specific ministry they can expect to be wealthy is simply not the truth. Many Christians — let me rephrase that — most Christians outside of America are poor and have great needs. However, does that mean that they are living in some type of sin and being punished? Absolutely not! The health, wealth, and prosperity gospel is no Gospel at all . . . .Josh Log in to Reply Mae on February 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm i agree with what you are saying here, josh.trusting in Jesus doesnt mean you live on easy street.God also makes us “rich” in ways other than financially.giving is the key to financial success, i believe that 100%. when you give, He blesses. Log in to Reply david on February 6, 2009 at 6:52 pm “Tithing for Christians. At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood; consequently the obligation to pay tithes would cease when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christ’s death on the torture stake.”Sir,Love always exceeds the law. Christians were not commanded to tithe, because they gave more than the tithe.Please consider:The law says: Do not murderLove says: Love your enemies.Which is the higher standard?The law says: Be sure to give your wife a certificate of divorce.Love says: “Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church.”Which is the higher standard?The law set basic expectations on men. But the Holy Spirit enables us to be more obedient to God’s Truth.The law said: Tithe a tenth of what God gave back to God.Love says: “There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet , and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.” Acts 4:34-37Grace and love will always exceed the law. I am concerned when I see Christains anxious to toss out their Old Testament and assume it does not apply to them. Log in to Reply Chris on February 6, 2009 at 8:16 pm Thank you Mae, but the points come from the word. I would never say that people who are poor are living in sin. Many people die from diseases believing that God Heals , but they didn’t follow or know the biblical principles. find a scripture meditate on in your heart, believe that it is done cause the word says it , speak it like it is already done…hence “speak things not as though they were” . keep speaking and it will come to pass. It Works. The ehalth, welath gospel IS THE GOSPEL. he has come to set us free!!!!! from the bondage of the curse of the law …which equal poverty, sickness and bondage. You will NEVER convince me God wants me poor , that is what RELIGION says. i can help more people NOW because i am prospering…example help support missions, poor and needy, renovate my church…etc..etc.. Being Poor STINKS i have been there, and trust me it is NOT a good Witness to the world…” hey come join jesus and be poor” . If God wanted us to be here just to wait until we get to heaven seems silly, when we were originally created to Live forever on this planet before the fall of adam. Think about it this way…does the devil want you to have alot of money to help further the gospel. when you have limited money ..you can pray and witness to people one on one…when you have finacial prosperity you can the latter , PLUS GIVE, GIVE and GIVE!!!. ITS THE RELATIONSHIP with money that can be bad. Money is a TOOL !!! thats what it is a TOOL to further the kingdom and if you arent doing that the prosperity principles stall, cause as mae said “giving is the key”! Log in to Reply Christine on February 6, 2009 at 9:07 pm Mr. Gomez, et al,Many times in the New Testament the Bible speaks of giving, but it speaks of giving far more than 10%. John the Baptist said that if you have 2 coats you should give someone in need one of them. Jesus said that the woman who gave 2 mites was blessed because she gave all that she had. Another instance describes a man who sold some land and gave 100% of the proceeds to his “local church.” I think your problem is that you are focusing on the 10% and not the attitude behind the giving. God was VERY clear when he said that He loves a cheerful giver, no matter what they are giving. Log in to Reply david on February 7, 2009 at 5:32 am Chris: “find a scripture meditate on in your heart, believe that it is done cause the word says it , speak it like it is already done…hence “speak things not as though they were” . keep speaking and it will come to pass. It Works.”Sir, you are treating the Bible as a magic “formula.” You say “keep speaking and it will come to pass…” You are making God the servant and man the god.”The [health], welath gospel IS THE GOSPEL”Sir, the health and wealth gospel is a perversion of what Jesus did on the cross. It makes money our god, health our idol and ourselves king. It is not a band of followers seeking to worship the crucified, risen king out of love. It is a selfish gospel. To even say “health and wealth” is to suggest we are in it for ourselves, not our king. I urge you to repent, quickly. Log in to Reply Josh Buice on February 7, 2009 at 9:27 am David,You are exactly right!Josh Log in to Reply Chris on February 8, 2009 at 5:06 pm I am a counselor by profession and it BLOWS my mind the ignorance in here? very sad. dAVID EVERYTHING I SAID IS IN THE WORD. I am sorry if you do not agree with the bible but , you are wrong. because what i said is 100% scriptural. why do you think Jesus said I HAVE GIVEN YOU!!! ALL!!!!!! AUTHORITY!!!!!!!??????????? . I will tell you Jesus said you will do greater!!! things in my name than i have done? hello. have you ever hear do f the scripture of BINDIING and LOOSING. I am sorry if this is too deep, and i DO NOT mean that being mean, but i just dont think you guys have the revelation on this yet. LOOK up what JESUS said about the “authority of the believer” If i was unsaved i would not want to serve god like many of you, it sounds like you are just hoping god will move on stuff , THAT IS NOT BIBLICAL. i could literally and i mean literally write hundreds of pages on the scriptures that talk about WHO WE ARE IN CHRIST, but i wont do it cause i want to save the lost and raise up people that WANT to walk in POWER for GOD. The devil tried to kill me and my family when i was a kid and i knew this wasnt right that the world ran over us, now i learned to dominate on the earth and be a witness for the broken hearted that you CAN be healed , because we are healed and not be poor as the scriptures i said before.. READ ABRAHAMS BLESSING and we are to have EXACTLY that plus eternal life. why do you not want to Prosper and be healthy. I have a friend who beleives exactly as you guys do and i do not mean this in a bad way, but seriously i win WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more people to Jesus with this message rather than what you are selling. The bible says stay away from conversations that envoke strife, so i am erasing this website from my computer so literally do not waste ur time responding cause i wont see it. i laid it out numerous times with scriptures and NO ONE REBUTTED ME WITH THE WORD, because they cant refute the word. so GOd Bless and i will pray the eyes of your understanding be enlightened eph 1:18, cause i really want you guys to prosper and spread the gospel. and i will not even dignify that las statement with a response. If this DIDNT WORK I WOULD NOT BE PROSPERING AS WELL AS I AM AS I USED TO BE LITERRALLY SEROUSLY POOR and i have no lie led hundreds to the LORD. this is a fruitless conversation and will do no one either good. i was trying to set you guys free, but you arent there yet and i hope you will be….bye Log in to Reply David on February 9, 2009 at 5:35 pm Sir,The principals I gave you are from the Word. Respectfully, please note this Scripture:”godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” 1 Tim. 6:1-10Please note:1. We are to be “content” not seeking wealth.2. People who want to get rich fall into a “trap”3. People who want to get rich fall into “many foolish and harmful desires”4. People who get rich are plunged into “ruin” and “destruction.”5. The Love of money is the root of evil. Meaning: When money becomes god to us it has the power to destroy us. When we seek wealth instead of God, money is our god.6. Some people are so eagar for money, it has caused them to wander from the truth.Sir, my church takes care of me. I choose not to brag. I absolutely knew hardship in ministry. Frankly, brother, it’s not for us to do anything for money; our lives are to be given wholly to the Lord. he will take care of us. I have also found that the more God gives me, the more I seem to think i “need.” I look back in awe at what my wife and I lived on in college days. I am so thankful God has provided. But should we be bragging about what we make? You keep making money and your status an issue. I think this is a trap for you that you might want to reevaluate. I am not advocating “poor for Jesus” ; God has certainly taken loving care of my family and I. But I do not think money should be our focus, EVER. Log in to Reply David on February 9, 2009 at 5:39 pm “but seriously i win WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more people to Jesus with this message rather than what you are selling”We are selling nothing! I don’t have to sell the Gospel. The Holy Spirit will draw all men to himself. We do evangelism. We Baptize. But how dare any of us think we can market what Jesus already paid for. I’m not “selling” this message.Look at what you are saying.You are attracting people to Christ by moving on their carnal instincts, their fleshly desires, not a Holy Spirit driven need to repent and know God. If people get saved to get rich, they did not get saved. The desire for wealth is exactly one of the things we must repent of. Log in to Reply Mae on February 10, 2009 at 8:04 am david,i see your points.i also see that chris is saying that you can win people to Christ when you use a positive message. it isnt promiising gold and silver if you follow Him. it’s promising that when you follow Christ, you will see provisions you never dreamed of. you will see gifts you never imagined. those gifts and provisionns may be tangible, they may not be. but the Word promises a life unspeakable. i’ve seen it in my own life.several years ago my husband was laid off. we had nothing, no savings, nothing…just a 6 month old and another baby on the way. we watched a pastor on INSP. i wont mention his name here because i can just imagine the opinions. he said if you would step out on faith and plant a seed, God would bless it ten fold. he asked for a seed of $50. we didnt have $50 to send and i was skeptical that this pastor was giving it a dollar amounnt. i knew very little of his ministry so i wasnt sure. but my husband knew that God was telling us to send it. so we did. that very next week, we received $680 in the mail from 4 different people who were just “thinking” of us. i know that was God’s answer to our faith. i still dont know that much about the pastor we platned our seed with. i dont know why thosse people sent us the money. except God knew we needed it and He blessed it MORE than tenfold. it’s about obedience and faith. period. Log in to Reply David on February 10, 2009 at 1:23 pm Mae,It is true that God will provide. Is that the message we were told to preach to the lost? And to be certain, Chris is claiming actual wealth, not just provision.God did answer your faith! When we were building our new sanctuary we needed $10,000 cash just to put a down payment on the steel. We didn’t have it. We had other financing through bonds, but not cash up front. I came into my office the day it was needed, and yes, there was a check there for 10k from soemone I had known in college. God absolutely provides.My concern is that I sense some seek the provision more than the provider. Our message is to preach Christ crucified, not provision. Remember, we serve a God who also let Christians die at the hands of Romans. They were torn apart by lions. Should we use that in soul winning?David Log in to Reply John Edwards on February 12, 2009 at 2:27 pm enjoyed your blog! Log in to Reply Oscar Easler on May 7, 2009 at 11:32 am Kenneth Copeland and his “Prosperity Gospel” is one of the biggest cons in the religious world. The only one to benefit from this is Copeland. Why? Because it is not the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is directed towards the salvation of men. Copeland is the most demonic man I have ever seen. I not only despise his teachings but him as well. The worst Copeland teaches is (1) that God is not sovereign Lord of the universe; (2) that Jesus went to hell and there purchased our salvation [it is strange that no where in the Bible does Paul ever mention this. He always preached the cross]; (3) that Jesus was the first born-again man [Jesus was the sinless lamb of God and never needed to be born again; (4) that God sneaked Jesus in which was, to Copeland, against the rules. Another blatant rejection of God’s sovereignty]; (5) that he, Copeland is the I AM [Copeland is a man and will die like a man. When Paul and Barnabas healed a man in Acts, it was all they could do to stop the people from sacrificing to them because they thought they were gods. Paul told them that he and Barnabas were men with the same nature as theirs]; (6) Copeland called Job a liar [the biggest liar out there is Copeland]. I fully believe that Copeland and Hinn and Joyce Meyers, et. al., will soon experience the judgment of God on their false doctrine. I really believe God has had enough of these people who are doing everything they can to destroy His Church. Quite frankly, I will be glad when they are good and gone!!!! Log in to Reply Vickie on July 17, 2009 at 2:03 am It is so grieving to hear believers bite and devour one another.Who is behind this division in the Body of Christ?Who benefits when sincere but struggling believers living in poverty of circumstances despise and hate believers who believe and live in prosperity? Who benefits if Wealthy believers look down on those who are poor? The enemy of us all is the only one benefiting from this hatred distrust and maligning between brethren.Mt 5:44 -But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,If we are commanded to do this for our enemies, how much more ought we forgive, love and pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ with whom we disagree?It does not matter what any one or another famous preacher may believe or teach about the concept of prosperity.What matters is What the Word of God says about it.3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou may prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers.“Prosper” here is the word euodoo, and lest we hastily conclude that this must mean “spiritual” prosperity, as opposed to physical or financial, let us see that this same word is also used in 1 Corinthians 16:2 were Paul gives instructions for the laying aside of provisions as an offering in accordance with how each giver has been prospered.So euodoo is clearly seen in the Word as a form of wealth or goods, physical and tangible.“even as thy soul prospers” Here again sincere believers will jump to the conclusion that prosperity and health must then be in the soulish realm; a mental, or emotional attitude likened to contentment, and certainly, a prosperous soul is the key, but what does that mean?John is praying for, and adjuring his beloved believers to prosper, and be in health, in the very same way as their souls are prospering, or even in direct proportion to the prosperity of their souls.John Is Telling Us That It Is Very Important To Have A Prosperous Soul.Why? Because the Prosperity of a Fool will destroy him! Proverbs chapter 1 lays the foundation of who is the foolish here; and it is one who despises counsel, reproof, knowledge, wisdom and the fear of the Lord. Prosperity will indeed destroy such a person.On the other hand, who does the Word say is Prosperous? Joshua 1:8 draws the picture of this Biblical prosperity; “This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou may observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.”Prosperity is always a test. It is a test of our heart attitude toward God, and his Word, and His Instructions.The foolish fail this test. Jesus demonstrated this in the parable of the talents. This was a test of the servants’ faithfulness or foolishness with money.I have heard it said that prosperity is neither moral, nor immoral; But Prosperity is an amplifier of the soul of the one to whom it comes! A good man’s Wisdom, Fear of the Lord, Obedience, and Generosity will be amplified by his prosperity, to the Glory of God, and for the sake of the Gospel and the Kingdom! A Foolish man’s prosperity will amplify his foolish choices, giving him the fiscal ability to cause greater heartaches and devastations.Truly Jesus warned us about the test of prosperity which all believers must face, and pass in this life:“He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous riches, who will commit to your trust the true riches”? -Luke 16:10 ,11 Log in to Reply Josh Buice on July 17, 2009 at 9:56 am Vickie,I don’t see Christians back biting one another . . . . however, it is important to note that the purpose of exposing folks like Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, and others who pervert the Word of God and lead people astray. It is with a pure heart, a love for God, His Church, and His Gospel that these types of things have been done on this site.God Bless,Josh Buice Log in to Reply Vickie on July 17, 2009 at 11:53 am Thank you Josh,so often the flaws, sins, or contemptible standards which we are quick to hate and expose in others are in fact challenging, and angering us precisely because these flaws are being pointed out gently, by the Holy Spirit, in our own hidden heart, so that we can overcome these things in ourselves first. Hence the beam and the speck story.or let he who is without sin cast the first stone.If anyone says, I love God, and hates (detests, abominates) his brother [in Christ], he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, Whom he has not seen. 21 And this command (charge, order, injunction) we have from Him: that he who loves God shall love his brother [believer] also. 1 John 4:19-21 AMP(even if that brother believer flies an airplane, or lives in a house that is bigger than we judge he needs)Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.Romans 14:12, 13 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.Blessings, Vickie Log in to Reply Gedeon on August 20, 2009 at 10:26 am it is sad to see how much people miss it. Is God ,in the way you see Him, poor ? was Abraham poor ? was Isaac poor or so rich that he made his neighbours jealous of him ? was Jacob poor ? was Joseph poor when God’s will finally came to pass in his life ? tell me where in the New Testament you saw Jesus begging ? but we know that HE was travelling with money managed by Judas a thief who wasn’t able to disturb the workings of Jesus’s Ministry because there were enough provision. i know that Jesus made Himself poor from the rich that He was so that through His human poverty i be made rich. nothing on earth comes for free. for whatis free for you has cosst someone something. was Jesus buried by a poor. no word in the Bible is by accident so if the Bible said that the man who buried Jesus was rich it meant that for the Gospel to spread out through the world there must be enough means in hte hands of the Christians to do it.it would be irresponsible to say that how come God is so rich and they are poor people. Jesus said that the poor will always be there on earth so that the people who have the means to help them do it not with self satisfactory mind but in meekness as a manager of God wealth on earth. the person who said that Kenneth Copeland is not a giver must get more information from within the Church. for if Kenneth Copeland went on speaking about how he helps people around, he would have called him a proud boasting person. it is not the teacher problem if the student he has been teaching doesn’t make it in life but the way of the student to pracitce what he learned. actually being rich in God is not about having millions but what you are able to share with others to relive them as much as you can. what have you done to that person lately. the Jehovah witnesses have also a lot of money. did it fall from heaven or from a well structured management ? don’t you need to print out all your magazines ? are alla the J.W finacially at ease? you can give only what you have. a poor can’t make you rich. the wisdom of a poor man is not heard and his words are despised.there is enough food on earth to feed every body so why are they famines ? is it God’s fault or humans failure to do as God would have done if in your position? Is heaven a poor place? is the earth a poor place or a place made poor by bad management. are the USA a powerful country just by cinfessing In God We Trust? Money is a tool. you have in order to be credible in your message to represent its content. the Gospel of Jesus is about proofs and not just talks. have your mind be renewed now before you cry later on when it will be too late. Log in to Reply stan podlacha on April 14, 2010 at 7:57 pm I agree with David, Oscar and Josh. God does meet our needs but not our greeds. The early church had no money, cars, tv ministries and they turned the world upside down for Jesus. Kenneth copeland has the biggest tv ministry raking in more than 100 million in donations a year but unfortunately doesn’t preach salvation to the lost but prosperity to greedy, desperate, idolatrous “Christians.” He is the biggest liar and fraud. He has set up a dozen or so non profit organizations over the last 30 years and has siphoned probably half a billion dollars into his own pocket from donations. He tells you to claim a hundred fold return and to live by faith but does not do so himself. I have been in the Word of Faith for years and have discovered that they are doing worse on average in prosperity than all the other denominations that do not focus on money. It is another gospel. However, Ken Hagin jr. said it correctly when he said “the primary way God prospers us is that He gives us a job and says work hard and you will be promoted and not laid off. Sometimes He supernaturally comes through when there is truly an emergency. Log in to Reply Bill on September 6, 2010 at 4:10 am Grow up instead of being bitter and jealous. I'm tired of complaining Christians picking on their leaders. If you can do better go for it.Other wise.. shut up and close your mouth and focus on what God has for you. Every half wit with a bible thinks he knows better than the minister.. I'm tired of hateful Christians who hate other Christian Leaders. If the guy has a jet good for him. What does it have to do with anyone else…? In leadership it does not matter what you do… some idiot is complaining… if Mr Copeland was blessed with a jet… people say he is greedy… If one helps the poor people complain because they must be doing it for a hidden agenda or power… If God was to deliver an illness people call the minister a con man… if he farts in public… he is evil… blah blah blah. God is either real or he is not… Use some logic here. God either helps you or he doesn't and if you are not an ordained minister… simply shut up… because your walk begins when you start walking your talk and become a leader and follower of christ.Every Christian with a bible thinks he knows more than the next guy. Start sharing the gospel instead of picking on every leader that is out there spreading the good news… wake up and stop giving Christian Leaders a bad name. Especially if you call yourself a Christian.If you have a problem with Mr. Copeland… read your bible… contact him and simply show some respect. How would you like it if I created a blog hating and judging your walk publicly..? Are you perfect? Log in to Reply Bill on September 6, 2010 at 4:15 am Better still… any complainer on this site… send me your biography and photos and I will highlight to the world what a hypocrite, fraud you are…. Let the world see how you like it? Log in to Reply Josh Buice on September 8, 2010 at 8:58 am Bill, I can understand why you would be angry at my articles on Kenneth Copeland and his circle of friends. However, the reason for your anger is because you view them as brothers and sisters in Christ. I on the other hand, do not see them in that same way. Why? Because their doctrines are contrary to the essentials of the faith and they use the Word of God to increase their wealth. I see them as false teachers who are enemies of the cross. Take some time to research their doctrines in accordance with Scripture. Don't just take their word for it – search the Scriptures and see if they are rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Make sure to interpret the text within the proper context – and you will see their errors clearly revealed. May God bless! Josh Buice Log in to Reply FELICITY SHARON GIBSON on September 9, 2010 at 4:23 am A declaration of a promise of God was made on my life declaring a plan of greatness. False prosperity leaders are able through secret monitoring surveillance and listening devices , able to infiltrate your home to extort your spiritual worth,an evil mastermanipulation plan done secretly and without walking in the light with you or your family.A victim can be violently violated to cause destruction. The crown, the throne , the blood diamond is seeked for the blood related relative, a motive or liscence for crime to be perpertrated in a church. The infiltration of the home is not in purity to watch over the person soul, but to seek out what can be diabolically extorted.The complete and utter work of false sheperds/ess.Spiritual predators and vultures. The Copelanes fall into this category as well as other. Our family has endured the most horrendous journey. Fraud, corruption, treachery of the extortion of most innocent of lives that ever existed.email [email protected] Log in to Reply Submit a Comment Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment.