After witnessing to Westboro Baptist Church in Indianapolis, I was left with a severely confused view of their position on the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Great Commission. Therefore, I contacted the Westboro Baptist group and requested an official interview regarding these issues. They agreed to the terms, and as of late last night, I have received their response.
The full interview consists of 29 questions regarding practical and theological issues. The representative of Westboro Baptist is Shirley Phelps-Roper. Due to the length of the interview, it will be broken up into two days. The first half of the interview will be posted today, and the second half will be posted tomorrow. The remainder of the week will be dedicated to my response to their answers and positions.
WARNING: The response from Westboro does contain some cursing. The unedited version is a bit sloppy and does contain many passages of Scripture which were simply copied from a web version of the Bible. Therefore, in attempt to shorten the interview, I have cited the reference in most cases where the full chapter or large portion of Scripture was used. I will also provide a .pdf of the uncut version for your download at the conclusion of the interview.
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1. When was Westboro Baptist Church constituted?
RESPONSE: November, 27, 1955
2. Who is the pastor of the church?
RESPONSE: Pastor Fred Phelps
3. Does Westboro Baptist Church belong to any association of church groups?
RESPONSE: No – like our spiritual forefathers at the beginning of the Church Age, we appear as those churches found in the scriptures. Local; visible; self-governing; Bible believing; obedient; having the ordinances of baptism by emersion of professing and orderly-walking persons and the Lord’s Supper, using one loaf and one cup from which all partake, exercising church discipline over her members; having all things being done decently and in order; with NO women preachers or women being anything when the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ meets except uncut hair, head-covered, participating in the song service and otherwise, remaining silent during the service, etc. NO tentacles reaching round the nation or the world, as that is NOT borne out in scripture as a part of it. Please see Proverbs 31; Psalm 48 and for some good words about her people that HE, who holds the keys to the doors of utterance has opened unto us, great doors and effectual, so that today, our faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. By the loving kindness and mercy of our God, who has given us HUGE doors of utterance, great and effectual, we are permitted today to bind this nation and this generation with chains and fetters of iron, so that Doomed america now SPRINTS to her destruction. Because your oil and wine has not been touched, so that you have your soft, fluffy, gluttonous manner of life in tact, you don’t even see that the siege is upon you! Like those that Noah preached to, who knew not till the waters came and took them all away. Here are some words about these faithful servants:Isaiah 52:7-12Read that some more – that is excellent! You see, we don’t need that monster overseer (think the Vatican – that great pedophile monster sitting, like the whore of Revelation 18 with her big fat a_ _ sitting all over the whole world, think the Southern Baptist monster overseer with all its mess, sitting in Nashville, etc.). No, we have the Lord our God, and he goes out before us and he keeps us in all our ways! Further, He, who begun this good work in us at HIS good will and by HIS good pleasure will see it through to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power and glory, in a flame of fire, with the shout and the voice of the arch angel and with the trump of God, and he will collect up his jewels, both dead and alive (the dead rise first) and he will deal with this nation and generation of rebels against him (and you have NO cause, you have Bibles EVERYWHERE!) to your face. You truly must read and listen to the sermon from yesterday, June 22, 2008 about where the ungodly and sinners will appear.
4. Where is Westboro Baptist Church located?
RESPONSE: 3701 SW 12th Street, Topeka, Kansas.
5. How many members does Westboro Baptist Church have in attendance for worship services?
RESPONSE: All of her members appear for our worship services when the church meets (except for those few occasions when a team or two or three will be on the road, delivering a faithful message from God to this generation – but we try today to avoid that clashing with our service times). We appear with our sons and our daughters to meet with the Lord our God and receive the blessings of excellent preaching from our pastor, whom our God has mercifully set as the overseer of this little Church of the Firstborn. Our pastor fits the profile and has the qualifications required in scripture, check out this job description:1 Timothy 3:1-13About that word bishop – here is Strong’s on that:1985 episkopov episkopos ep-is’-kop-osfrom 1909 and 4649 (in the sense of 1983); TDNT-2:608,244; n mAV-bishop 6, overseer 1; 71) an overseer1a) a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent1b) the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian churchDon’t look now, but there truly ARE standards that we are expected to OBEY and FOLLOW! They are truly NOT on the table for disposal at the will of this brutish, rebellious, disobedient, idol-worshiping (think your goofy Christmas crap at the top of the idol heap), false-god pushing and FILTHY manner of life.
6. Did the court ruling in recent days hinder the Westboro Baptist Church mission in any way?
RESPONSE: No – you need to think of that entire bit of mischief as a HUGE megaphone. It was so many things, but NONE of those things can be called a hindrance. It was a bit of drama that necessarily had to play out so that the return of our blessed Savior, and the events that must occur prior to that time would get into place, and those events are now coming on apace. If you read Jonathan Edwards book, The History of Redemption you would find a place where he discusses that when the time came for Christ to be born into this world, that the events had to come on apace to fulfil the prophesies and to get things into place. That is what is happening now for the return of our Lord and Savior, or King. Had you bothered to read the words of scripture and heed them and live in them, you would know that it is by the persecutions that the Word of God drops like a shower all over this globe! These things are precious tokens of our Father’s love toward us. It is the very patience of the saints. Read these words with distinction!Revelation 14:6-12And these words – read them with some discipline:Revelation 13:4-10Even for the masses of you that don’t understand most of those words – you can at least see that it is in the midst of persecutions (that would be the making war with the saints – Rev. 13:7 and it includes all the actions you rebels against God engage in to try and shut us up because we won’t go along with your false religious system and your lying about God and his character and his attributes as reported in the scriptures – we are faithful to the written word and you KNOW it!) that patience is necessary and is learned.Some more goodness on that subject and remember – it is in the most severe afflictions that we learn and perfect patience, check out these words and see how the patience is connected with the afflictions:2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,2 Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:It is for our patiently enduring all your persecutions and lying on God and the daily vexing of our righteous souls (as ancient Sodom did to Just Lot) with your filthy deeds that God will avenge us for! Thus, we keep our hands OFF the getting back at or otherwise taking any of such matters into our own hands, as our God is the avenger of all such! Check out this precious language:Hebrews 10:30-39And those words take us directly into the chapter on the heros of the faith (Hebrews 11) who patiently endured persecutions and afflictions, which directly precedes these excellent words of exhortation to those of us living in the earth, and especially those of us living in these very last days of all. Check it out now:Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.James 5:1-111 Peter 5:6-112 Peter 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.You see – what does Satan have in his power to do to us except energize his minions to persecute us and try to make our service to our God so onerous and painful and scary that we will simply shut up and go away – draw back as it says in Hebrews 10. But you see – we are NOT in his hands to save or to destroy – so we press on, counting him faithful that called us and gave us this great blessing. Think about it Josh – we get the blessing of light and the wisdom of God and we get to preach to the whole world in these last days of all.Check out this precious promise to us for these last days of all – this is for us Josh and I dearly love it!!Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia (think Topeka, Kansas, Doomed america J) write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; You will NEVER shut us up when our God opens the doors! YEA!8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. That would be FAITHFUL to his written word!9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews (remember Paul says that WE, spiritual Israel are the spiritual Jews – we are the seed of Abraham – you know he said it – I’m just sayin . . . J), and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Oh yes – read that precious promise again and again – it is life and health and marrow to our bones!!10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. What more could you want then that Josh? Oh and on that overcoming thing – if not in severe afflictions, what is there to overcome? If it were easy Josh, any jackass could do it!!13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. And on the flip side of this – if you don’t have an ear – you will NEVER hear – you will be Isaiah 6 – blind eyes, stopped up ears and hard hearts – see our Savior repeating that bit of goodness here (Paul also snapped it up because it is a work of God to curse the rebels in that fashion – blind, deaf and hard-hearted!) Mt 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And this: Mt 13:15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Ac 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
7. Did you lose any members as a result?
RESPONSE: How funny are you! NO! At this hour, with the coming of our Lord drawing nigh – here is how we lose members: Matthew 3:9-12
8. Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
RESPONSE: What an impudent question from a clueless source. You brutes have given that concept a bad name. Here it is Josh – we follow the teachings of Christ, almost to the exclusion of the rest of this generation – therefore, we are entitled to be called Christian. My skin crawls listening to this generation blather on . . . “I looooovvvvveeeeee Jeessus” even as she lives in adultery. This nation has a policy of adultery Josh – can you say Cheaters? And worse than that – you have a 60 percent divorce and remarriage rate – the self-righteous Southern Baptists are some of the very worst – so what pray tell do you do with this?!?: Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.HELLO – is this mic on? If you are divorced and remarried, you are living in adultery! Now Josh – that is what we told the brutes in Maryland and for that, we got to be dragged across the country and put on trial! We were so thankful because you see Josh – we still had our heads! John the Baptist (for whom we get our Baptist name) lost his head for plainly saying DIVORCE + REMARRIAGE = ADULTERY! Oh yes – they want our heads, but our God stays their hands!
9. How did you become a Christian? Please explain the location and the brief context of what was going on during that moment of time (church, home, work, etc.).
RESPONSE: Shut up Josh – are you trying to gag me with a pitch fork? Do you think that I would tell you such information for you brutes to pour over and access? Here is what we have been sent to tell you Josh:GOD HATES YOU! YOU ARE GOING TO HELL! GOD HATES FAGS! GOD HATES FAG ENABLERS! GOD HATES AMERICA! AMERICA IS DOOMED! THE SIEGE IS COMING (NEW sign – hot off the press – get the mental picture until you can see it before your eyes you lucky duck – you get the first vision of this sign – think COMING with a strike mark through it and on one side of the sign it says just below the stricken COMING it says HERE – get it Josh – the siege is here! Don’t look now, but he siege is here. Then, on the other side of the sign it says – just below the stricken COMING – it says ON YOU. The siege is on you Josh – you just don’t see it yet. Stay tuned!) YOUR PASTOR IS A LYING WHORE. YOUR PASTOR IS LYING! FAG PIMP POPE! PRIESTS RAPE CHILDREN. (apparently we need a new sign after some articles I have recently read – it will look like this SOUTHERN BAPTIST PREACHERS RAPE CHILDREN) And so much more! THANK GOD FOR DEAD CHILDREN! THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS! You need to go to www.signmovies.net and find the sign movies section and watch the videos that explains each of these signs! Good stuff!Here you lying false prophets are:Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
10. What is your official definition of the Gospel?
RESPONSE: What – you don’t have a dictionary in Nashville? Let me help you with this – from Dictionary.com:gos·pel g_s p_l – Show Spelled Pronunciation[gos-puh l] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation–noun
1. the teachings of Jesus and the apostles; the Christian revelation.
2. the story of Christ’s life and teachings, esp. as contained in the first four books of the New Testament, namely Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
3. (usually initial capital letter ) any of these four books.
4. something regarded as true and implicitly believed: to take his report for gospel.
5. a doctrine regarded as of prime importance: political gospel.
6. glad tidings, esp. concerning salvation and the kingdom of God as announced to the world by Christ.
7. (often initial capital letter ) Ecclesiastical. an extract from one of the four Gospels, forming part of the Eucharistic service in certain churches.
8. GOSPEL MUSIC.–adjective9. of, pertaining to, or proclaiming the gospel or its teachings: a gospel preacher.
10. in accordance with the gospel; evangelical.
11. of or pertaining to gospel music: a gospel singer.
Now – for your squishy discussion – “T H E G O S P E L I S T H E G O O D N E W S” freak show, wherein you substitute lies about God loving everyone for obedience to his commandments and standards and get butts in the seats so you can have money in your coffers because you think the Word of God can be purchased – YIKES – let me help with that as well, to wit:1. There is NO good news for you liars!2. There is NO forgiveness without repentance!3. The good news freaks is that not EVERYONE has to go to hell! As many as were called, believed! I can’t make this stuff up Josh – check out the WORDS OF THE BIBLE!, to wit: Ac 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. JOSH – you can’t multiply words and change that standard of God – if he did not ordain you before the foundation of the world to eternal life, you will NEVER believe! In these last days of all, which Christ said will be as in the days of Noah (EIGHT – 8 – souls went into that ark) and Lot (THREE – 3 – souls left out of Sodom alive) – so shall it be when the Son of Man returns – and Luke 18 says – WILL HE EVEN FIND THE FAITH when he returns. So get over all that winning souls to Christ and lying to make the Word of God palatable for the rebels! If you can get them to pretend they are going to serve God – you have NOTHING before you work on them and you have NOTHING after you are done with them and worse – according to this passage – when you get them they are worse off than they were before because you are a crusty liar and rebel yourself. Pretending that Christ is some wimp and mealy mouthed, kissy-poo liar like you! Here is some excellent words by our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, that hell-fire and brimstone preacher that you love to lie about! READ HIS WORDS! Oh – and see if you can find the persecutions and patience in this excellent sermon! To quote my 6-year-old – I love here this!